Who is the real Catholicos in India?

The word or title Catholicos is used several orthodox churches. The name Catholicose of East originated in the see of Seleucia. But in India there is three Catholicoses
1. Baselious Paulose Catholicose (Indian Orthodox)
2. Baselious Didimos Catholicose (Indian Orthodox)
3. Baselious Thomas Catholicose (Syrian Orthodox)
4. Baselious Climees Catholicose (Roman Catholic)

The question is who is the original Catholicose?  This Catholicose has any connection with the word Maphrian?

20 comments:

  1. Shall i put one correction. In last name bracket u put Roman Catholic. in Roman Catholic there is no Catholicose. Better put Malankara instead of Roman. then it is correct. Regarding Malankara Catholica, according to CCEO Malankara Catholic church raise as Major Archiepiscopal church. As an Oriental church according to the constitution of such 21 Oriental churches, CCEO,head of Major archiepiscopal church head is known as Major Archbishop. According to the constitution CCEO Major Archbishop is the Common Head of that church. As every body knows that Malankara Church has no such title of Major Archbishop in it's history starts from AD 52, arrival of St. Thomas. so our church decide to call our church head as Catholicose. According to CCEO Malankara Church has the right to call her common head as Catholicose. if anybody need more clarification i can put with reference from CCEO & such official docs.

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  2. Indian Orthodox Catholicos is the real Catholicos

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  3. You are not correct the Malankara Catholic church's Catholicos is the real Catholicos of India. Baselious Climees Bava neenal vazhatte

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  4. Catholicose is Head of the Church under Christ, sititng on the throne of an Apostle. So The Catholicose is addressed as His Holiness.

    Why is Climees Catholicose not 'His Holiness'. Having accepted the Roman faith, they are under Roman Church and have been westerned. They should be ideally called as ROMO SYRIANS. There is only one HH in that Church, the Pope. HH Catholicose being the title given to the Head of Church, Major Arch Bishop Climis do not deserve the respect AND HONOUR DUE TO HH CATHOLICOSE.

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  5. If you study the history of Malankara Catholic faith, you'll know they left Orthodox Church to become CATHIOLICS, under ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH, a western Church. After many decades, having gained whatever they could, they somehow wants to regain their lost oriental identity and is making all efforts in that direction. Hence this new branding which happened only recently

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  6. Catholicos was not Indian origin, that name origin from Persia. So above mentioned Catholicoses were not a real Catholicose. The real catholicos is the Church of East's Catholicos. Now he is called Catholicos Patriarch.

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  7. Syrian Orthodox Catholicos is not a real Maphrian

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  8. indian orthdox catholicos is the real catholicos..b thomas is maphrian...nt catholicos...abot clims is the duplicat one...they go under pope..they dt have rite ...so real catholicos is baslious paulose ....

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  9. why not have many catholicos for different people?

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  10. Catholics and Maphriano are terms used in Syriac Orthodox church so who ever come under the Holy see of Antioch and all the east is the real.

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  11. Hei all commenters, U all are wrong. Because, the Malankara Catholic Catholicate is is true catholicate. Indian Orthodox Catholicate started only 1912. And Syrian Orthodox Catholicate stated only 2002. But Roman Catholic Catholicate started before all these catholicates. RC Catholicate is the continuation of Selucian Catholicate. When the Selucian Catholicate was going under the Nestorianism. The true Catholics did not accept that Catholicate. But later they rejoin the only and true Christian church. That is Roman Catholic Church. This is true story.

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  12. The Real & Original catholicose of the East & Malankara Metropolitan is- H H Baselious Mathoma Paulose II. If anybody have doubt they should refer the Church history and the verdict of Hon.Supre Court.

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  13. Mr. Sojan, Hon. Supr. Crt.doesnt mention anything about real Catholicose.

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  14. Christopher DombrowskiMay 26, 2011 at 11:16 PM

    Why bother asking in the context of the nature of this site? The only answer from a canonical Oriental Orthodox perspective is obviously HB Mor Baselios Thomas I.

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  15. All three Thirumeni's are Catholicose of different churches

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  16. HH BASELIUS PAULOSE CATHOLICA BAVA....Others are fake

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  17. the real catholicose is the catholicose accepted by HH The Patriarch of Antioch Ignatius Zakka Iwas First and is the catholicose of syriac orthodox church in india which is Baselios Thomas First...All others are just catholicoses created by some people in India for its own stability and existence and manipulated the scripts and documents to get legal validity.

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  18. Does it matter? They are Heads of Churches and deserve respect.

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